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What about hiding politics in accusations of anti-semitism?
What about hiding politics in accusations of anti-semitism?
gonna touch this one, why even post this one? weak, bwog, weak.
i don't even think it's jews that are perpetuating anti-islam, "islamo-faschist" horsecrap. it's not the jews, it's us, the americans.
I hate having to repeat this, but here it goes again. There's nothing "anti-Islamic" or bigoted about exposing the dangers of radical Islam. Unless, of course, you equate Islam with radical Islam. The horsecrap is yours. Please clean it up.
just keep on being intellectually dishonest and claiming the term islamo-fascist necessitates islamophobia
meanwhile ignore what would be a considered a hate crime on this poster that #3 would have a fit about if it was anti black/hispanic/lgbt/anything but jewish/christian
hypocrites
meanwhile ignore what would be a considered a hate crime on this poster that #3 would have a fit about if it was anti black/hispanic/lgbt/anything but jewish/christian
hypocrites
I think it's actually quite offensive to decent Muslims everywhere to suggest that they should feel offended by a campaign against Islamic terrorism and terror-state repression.
Lastly, #4, I don't mean to pick on you endlessly, but it seems that, through a slip of the tongue, you implied that American Jews are not Americans. I suggest you re-think that.
Incidentally, did anyone catch those Orwell-themed ISO posters? "War=Peace, Anti-Fascists=Fascists, etc..." Self-proclaimed "socialists" so fail to understand the message of Orwell that it would be funny if it weren't so sad.
whoever's arguing this case denies any difference between "Jewish" and "Zionist"
A better statement is: Apathy and/or disinterest in Zionism does not mean anti-Semitism
we can argue about that on a different day. But when you use the word "Jew," you're expressly referring to the Jewish people, not just the Jewish state.
What does that have to do with this at all?
down the well! So my country can be free!
You must grab him by his horns,
And then we have a big party.
Jagshemash!
You must grab him by his horns,
And then we have a big party.
Jagshemash!
solves all world issues. i only wish that were true.
I somehow wouldn't be surprised if the graffitist is the same visionary behind this little number last semester:
[external link to www.bwog.net]
Assuming it's the same person, I'm not impressed that the graffitist hasn't really matured in his/her commentary. Wow, a leftist blanket statement on a College Republicans' flyer? Now that's daring.
[external link to www.bwog.net]
Assuming it's the same person, I'm not impressed that the graffitist hasn't really matured in his/her commentary. Wow, a leftist blanket statement on a College Republicans' flyer? Now that's daring.
himself was a socialist. So I don't see what's so strange about the ISO using language from 1984 in their flyers.
not that kind of socialist.
kind of like this. people are getting pissed off at jews and socialists for everything, just like the good old days. fuck all y'all!
Yeah dude, wasn't Orwell an extreme totalitarian who wanted to erase free expression through language in order to control thought? I heard that's what Orwellians are all about.
since when is it anti-semitic to point out a racial double standard? the college republicans have no problem when david horowitz (who was jewish last time i checked) "ties islam to fascism," so why shouldn't they be ridiculed for saying they have a problem with ahmedinejad "tying islam to fascism"? horowitz supporters see anti-semitism around every corner. this is provocative, sure, but to call it anti-semitic is to ignore its obvious sarcasm and willingly put aside the fact that the college republicans are talking out their ass on this one: they love it when ahmedinejad evokes the image of fascism in the west, because each time he does it we're that much closer to the senseless war they crave. the only allegation being made here is against the college republicans: if you think otherwise it says more about your own preconceptions than it does about whoever defaced this flyer.
was a more complex character than a quick reading of animal farm or 1984 make him out to be. #19 is right though because he supported democratic socialism with a heavy trotskiite influence much like the ISO
Either way, Orwell references have sadly became a en vogue substitute for an argument
Either way, Orwell references have sadly became a en vogue substitute for an argument
there's obviously a disconnect for you here
Horowitz purportedly is pointing out the subset of those who are islamic who engage in fascist methods to promote teh religion
Mahmoud is allegedly actively using those facist techniques under the guise of islam
The person who wrote on the poster also could have chosen the word Horowitz (though it would be nonsensical just as your arguement was) but instead chose 'Jew'
Horowitz purportedly is pointing out the subset of those who are islamic who engage in fascist methods to promote teh religion
Mahmoud is allegedly actively using those facist techniques under the guise of islam
The person who wrote on the poster also could have chosen the word Horowitz (though it would be nonsensical just as your arguement was) but instead chose 'Jew'
extra troll points for claiming 'we're (because your views are always the majority) closer to the senseless war they advocate' while not mentioning why its senseless, explaining that 'islamofascism' certainly isn't the only or even most important factor with a possible war with iran, and ignoring the fact that war with the US is probably one of teh last things that ahmadinejad wants to provoke anyway
It would take so much time to sift through your specious arguments and self-contradictions that I'm not even going to try, unless I can't find anything better to do. Good night.
Horovitz is not trying to defame a "race" (or religion, to be more precise). It was the vandal who needlessly and insultingly invoked the issue of race. You, and that anonymous individual, apparently can't stop seeing this through the same narrow prism.
The whole "controversy" over this speakers series is a very pathetic reflection of the inability of those in our community to objectively observe the outside world.
orwell was a socialist, but found most socialists to be phoney. read the second half of "the road to wigan pier," because he rips them apart. it's fairly fantastic.
The Hillel put out a statement saying it is not affiliated with Horowitz or this entire shame of an awareness week. FFS, most Jews I met are more knowledgable and sympathetic about Islam than the Christians are.
Did I miss when Christianity came up in the discussion?
"I think it's actually quite offensive to decent Muslims everywhere to suggest that they should feel offended by a campaign against Islamic terrorism and terror-state repression."
this is an excellent point. thank you for recognizing something important--decent muslims need not be offended. they should be the ones at the forefront of this kind of event, trying to drive out psychos from their religion.
this is an excellent point. thank you for recognizing something important--decent muslims need not be offended. they should be the ones at the forefront of this kind of event, trying to drive out psychos from their religion.
are not ISO flyers. the ISO is not the only far-left group on campus.
David Horowitz: "the MSA is a creation of the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas and is funded by the Saudis and is part of the Islamo-fascist jihad"
[external link to www.frontpagemag.com]
[external link to www.frontpagemag.com]
Horowitz, in the organizers' guide for "Islamofascism Awareness Week":
"Islam: What the West Needs to Know reveals the violent, expansionary ideology of the so called 'religion of peace' that seeks the destruction or subjugation of other faiths, cultures, and systems of government."
"Of course Islam also oppresses Christians, Jews, gays and atheists. We are focusing on the oppression of women..."
"Islam: What the West Needs to Know reveals the violent, expansionary ideology of the so called 'religion of peace' that seeks the destruction or subjugation of other faiths, cultures, and systems of government."
"Of course Islam also oppresses Christians, Jews, gays and atheists. We are focusing on the oppression of women..."
those last quotes from here:
[external link to media2.terrorismawareness.org]
we have a lot of commenters here who either 1) don't know what the fuck they're talking about or 2) are College Republicans being utterly disingenuous
[external link to media2.terrorismawareness.org]
we have a lot of commenters here who either 1) don't know what the fuck they're talking about or 2) are College Republicans being utterly disingenuous
Ah, the good old "If you don't agree with me, you're either stupid or you're a Republican!!" line. Charming.
its an old line, but those quotes are pretty fucking clear. "islamofascism" = the MSA & "islam". it's not really a matter of opinion.
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oh fuck me.
the whole reason the PJA published our piece and petitioned hillel is that we knew something like this would happen.
horowitz does NOT speak in the voice of the jewish community, and his hate and lies help noone and further division and strife.
the whole reason the PJA published our piece and petitioned hillel is that we knew something like this would happen.
horowitz does NOT speak in the voice of the jewish community, and his hate and lies help noone and further division and strife.
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Not to make any generalizations, but Goddamn ISO, what is wrong with you people.